I am a member of a list server called the Arizona Right to Keep and Bear Arms list server abbreviated AZRKBA. It is a group of people who like to pretend the Second Amendment still exists and that we have the right to keep and bear arms as the founders intended.
One of the members said in an email that he was interested in riding on the new light rail trains that begin service in the Phoenix area on December 29, 2008 and he called Valley Metro and asked if guns were allowed on Valley Metro trains. Valley Metro lied to him and told him that guns were not allowed on Valley Metro buses or trains.
I ride the buses and know a for a fact that the answer is wrong. Valley Metro indeed used to ban guns on its buses about 4 years ago. But that changed when someone brought up the fact that under Arizona law that if you ban guns on a government vehicle you must allow people to check their weapons when they enter the vehicle and return their weapons when they leave the vehicle.
Since Valley Metro doesn’t have gun lockers on their buses the instead stopped banning weapons on their buses.
Since government tyrants tend to use the Constitution, Bill of Rights and any other laws that limit their power as toilet paper I thought it would be interesting to call Valley Metro and record the call where they told me guns were illegal on buses.
Then after doing that I also called some local police agencies and found some of them also lied to be about guns being illegal on buses and trains.
Surprisingly the government rulers gave us the wrong answer to that question more often then they gave us the right answer.
Yes under Arizona law guns ARE allowed on Valley Metro buses and light rail trains, but more often then not the gun grabbers at Valley Metro and several police departments in the Phoenix area lied to us (or perhaps intentionally misled us) and told us that guns were illegal on Valley Metro trains and light rail.
Arizona is an open carry state, meaning anyone can openly carry firearms with out having to get permission from the government. Per Arizona law if a government nanny wants to ban firearms from a building or vehicle they have to allow you to “check” your weapon when you enter the building or vehicle and return your gun when you leave the building or vehicle.
Because Valley Metro buses and light rail trains don’t have lockers to check guns, this means it is illegal for Valley Metro to ban guns from their buses or light rail trains. And if you will dig deep enough you will find it is the official policy of Valley Metro to allow guns on both light rail and buses, but they seem to want you to think guns are banned.
- No guns in Tempe Public Library The gun grabbers that run the City of Tempe refuse to obey the state law that says if they ban guns from a building they MUST allow you to check your gun!
- The folks at Valley Metro say guns are not allowed on light rail trains or buses! That is an outright lie! Guns are allowd on both buses and light rail trains per Arizona law!
- Phoenix Police lie and say guns are NOT allowed on buses and light rail! Recorded Jan 21, 2009 11:47 am.
- Tempe Police correctly say guns are allowed on buses and light rail. Recorded Jan 21, 2009 12:02 am.
- Mesa police get it half right and say sometimes guns are allowed on light rail and buses, and sometimes they are not. Recorded Jan 21, 2009 12:11 am.
- ASU Police - While Arizona is an open carry state and anyone
can openly carry a gun, in Arizona we have a silly law that
allows government schools to ban guns on their campuses.
ASU is one of those Bill of Right free campuses where
the Second Admendment is null and void.
This could cause a problem for somebody riding on the light rail thru Tempe where guns are legal, and then on to the Valley Metro light rail station on the ASU campus at University and Rural where guns are illegal.
I called the ASU police to see if people carrying guns on light rail would be arrested when they cross the ASU campus.
- ASU police dispatch really doesn't know if guns are allowed at the light rail station on the ASU Campus at University and Rural in Tempe. Recorded Jan 21, 2009 12:24 am. The ASU police dispatch told me to call Julie Newburg.
- ASU police spokesman Julie Newburg will try to find out if guns are allowed on the light rail station on the ASU campus at Rural & University in Tempe. Recorded Jan 21, 2009 12:28 am.
- Arizona Laws relating to guns on campuses
There are actually two statutes dealing with this issue.
13-2911.D requires governing boards to "adopt rules ... for the maintenance of public order", and mentions that any deadly weapon used, displayed or possessed in violation of such a rule shall be forfeited. It does not, however, require them to have a firearms policy.
15-341.A.25 deals with the powers and duties of local governing boards, and states, "Notwithstanding section 13-3108, prescribe and enforce policies and procedures that prohibit a person from carrying or possessing a weapon on school grounds unless the person is a peace officer or has obtained specific authorization from the school administrator." That's probably the one you're thinking of. Note how it neatly bypasses preemption.
The thing is, Title 13 is the criminal code, and carries penalties. Title 15 is administrative, and does not. So 15-341 says they must set policies, but 13-2911 is what sets up the punishment for not abiding by them. At least that's how I understand it. If anyone has a better grasp of it, feel free to jump on in ...
I might add that in Title 15, "school" is defined as K-12, so it sets up the Regents for a bit of a court tussle if they try to depend on 15-341 for backup. Not that I think they wouldn't try, but I'm just saying ...
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Valley Metro thinks its riders are criminals and terrorists!
Second Amendment – its just a worthless piece of paper!
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.Don’t believe it! It’s just a worthless piece of paper that government rulers and the police use as toilet paper, when they are not telling you that you have rights!
You don't have any Second Amendment rights!
At the beginning of this rant I said that a lot of people in the AZRKBA like to pretend that we still have the right to Keep and Bear Arms, and that the Second Amendment is not null and void.So to prove my point let me ask you some questions.
Machine guns are illegal!
Prior to 1933 you could buy a machine gun which cost between $10 and $20 from a Sears catalog via mail order. Do you still have the right to keep and bear arms and buy a machine gun?Well no! First you have to get permission from the government to buy the machine gun. So you really don’t have the right to keep and bear a machine gun for arms.
Sawed off shotguns are illegal
Same goes for buying a sawed off shotgun, a canon, or a grenade! You don’t have the right to have any of these weapons unless you get permission from the government! The 2nd Amendment is null and void!Second if you can get permission from the government to buy a machine gun you have to pay a $200 yearly tax on your machine gun, so for most Americans in 1933 that was impossible because of the high cost. Remember that was a $200 yearly tax on a machine gun that cost between $10 and $20 dollars.
It's not a tax, it's a tactic to make guns illegal
This $200 tax on a gun that cost $20 was clearly designed to keep people from buying machine guns! It’s not like the little 10 cents a gallon excise tax on gasoline used to raise revenue. It’s a tax to keep you from buying guns!Today the tax is still the same $200 and inflation has made it much more affordable for the middle class person, but can a poor person afford to pay a $200 a year tax on a machine gun, probably not!
Gun silencers are illegal!
When silencers were invented they were seen as a great tool to make target shooting much more enjoyable. Of course the government realized that silencers could be used against the government rulers and made them illegal, well unless you got permission from the government to have one, and paid that $200 a year tax for a silencer.You need to get permission from the government to buy a gun
Well the government lovers will probably yell and say the 2nd Amendment isn’t null and void for normal guns! You can buy a rifle and shotgun or even a pistol.Well not really. You still have to get permission from the government to buy a gun from a gun dealer. That permission is called the “Brady Bill Check”, so you really don’t have the right to buy guns any more.